From - Thu Apr 17 14:32:24 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: carl@andisplanet.com Received: from iona.labri.fr (majordomo.labri.fr [147.210.8.168]) by andisplanet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB8A910E8 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.labri.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B140017D6D for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from iona.labri.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (iona.labri.fr [127.0.0.1:10024]) (amavisd-new) with SMTP id 28242-10 for ; jeu, 27 mar 2003 10:12:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from labri.u-bordeaux.fr (brol.labri.fr [147.210.9.226]) by iona.labri.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487DD17C00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:12:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E82CF22.6000905@labri.u-bordeaux.fr> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:14:58 +0100 From: Francois PELLEGRINI Organization: INRIA & LaBRI, Universite Bordeaux I User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: discuss@ggpl.org Subject: Re: Osaka Organis design/ Waking the Planet References: <20030327043450.10345.qmail@inbox.net> <3E82B446.4040206@geraldgleason.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Just to complete my answer about "small worlds". > If the larger community (surrounding?) is similarly organized, I can see > the scope being very wide indeed, but more in terms of replicating (with > variation) the 15 -> 150 units in physically seperated spheres. This is a work on graph theory. Basically, the idea is simple, as it is used by all these chains that beg you for money, called "Ponzi schemes" in the French literature. Imagine a tree where you are at the root, then the 15 neighbors below, and the 15 neighbors of your neighbors, etc. It takes only 5 to 6 levels to have a number of descendents equivalent to more than the entire population on Earth, which means that basically every people on Earth is *at most* at distance 6 of any other people, just by means of the "15" spheres. This is like the "shake hands" distance. Personnally, I am at distance 2 of President Chirac (I shaked hands with someone who shake hands with Chirac), and so at distance 3 of G. W. Bush and Saddam Hussein, who both shake hands with him (huh ? so close ? Hmm, this is going too fast indeed !! 8^) ). Thus there is no structural need for any other hierarchical structure, apart for control purposes, which is indeed not what Organis aims at... f.p.